Do you have the insight?

[Flignats]

lol, so wait, you think that we made SA off of $5,000 ? Interesting...

and only $10,000 in prizes hmm?

Msufan is actually the closest, but players at SA have won more than that so far.. nice guesses though.

[All4SciFi]

No, no, no ... I haven't even tried to calculate how much SA has paid out in prizes, just what the start-up costs might have been (e-mail me if I am wrong ... I promise I won't quote it in my article!! I swear ... honest ...).

... lemme re-read this thread (I got all side-tracked with the disgustingly large sums of cash being poured into the "other" guy's sites).

... geez, I wouldn't even be able to guess how much has been paid out, and here's why:

1. I joined up with SA, shortly after your launch from one of the threads here (sorry it took me soo long to join this forum, but losing two businesses in another recession kinda distracted me from "playing"). Either, I used up my free tokens, didn't think there were enough players, or got beat too much to continue ... I honestly don't remember why. So, I just have only the last month or two to base what has been going on at Skill Addiction.

2. I hate Math.

And are you asking how much SA paid out, itself ... or including the monies wagered into the tourneys by players??? And BTW ... who's to say if what a skill gaming website is claiming to have paid out, so far, is what the company has paid out BEYOND all that cash being poured in???

All I know is I get stomped on, after trying two progressives over there by the basically the same top players winning most of the cash over there, anyway ... (not really a jab, the players are brilliant) which isn't exactly true, since I had a fighting chance in the Spider 2-Suit, ONLY IF I had matched my personal best in the progressive this week. Don't even get me started on the progressive with new game, Blockies ...

What I do know from reading others talk about the progressives is ... some of those pros will pour a buttload of cash, playing over and over, trying to top each other.

OK, how about this question ... what was the largest total pay out in a single tourney Skill Addiction has had, to date???

[Molliewog27]

Originally Posted by All4SciFi

No, no, no ... I haven't even tried to calculate how much SA has paid out in prizes, just what the start-up costs might have been (e-mail me if I am wrong ... I promise I won't quote it in my article!! I swear ... honest ...).

... lemme re-read this thread (I got all side-tracked with the disgustingly large sums of cash being poured into the "other" guy's sites).

... geez, I wouldn't even be able to guess how much has been paid out, and here's why:

1. I joined up with SA, shortly after your launch from one of the threads here (sorry it took me soo long to join this forum, but losing two businesses in another recession kinda distracted me from "playing"). Either, I used up my free tokens, didn't think there were enough players, or got beat too much to continue ... I honestly don't remember why. So, I just have only the last month or two to base what has been going on at Skill Addiction.

2. I hate Math.

And are you asking how much SA paid out, itself ... or including the monies wagered into the tourneys by players??? And BTW ... who's to say if what a skill gaming website is claiming to have paid out, so far, is what the company has paid out BEYOND all that cash being poured in???

All I know is I get stomped on, after trying two progressives over there by the basically the same top players winning most of the cash over there, anyway ... (not really a jab, the players are brilliant) which isn't exactly true, since I had a fighting chance in the Spider 2-Suit, ONLY IF I had matched my personal best in the progressive this week. Don't even get me started on the progressive with new game, Blockies ...

What I do know from reading others talk about the progressives is ... some of those pros will pour a buttload of cash, playing over and over, trying to top each other.

OK, how about this question ... what was the largest total pay out in a single tourney Skill Addiction has had, to date???

My head hurts now...

[Flignats]

Oh, lol. Well, one of the advantages of being a private company is that.. well, that information is private . And, it's not kept that way because we like to keep secrets - but that is one that gives us an advantage in certain situations.

Sorry, 5k is well below the startup costs of our business.

Well, King and Worldwinner do not pay out 250,00-400,000 a day - I don't think. I believe that the amount of prizes won is simply being calculated as the dollar amount of prizes that have been won in the community - meaning if you enter a tournament and win a prize, not the amount you withdrew from the site.

Technically, withdrawing a certain amount is not the amount of prizes to their players, but every prize amount won from a tournament is.

Largest payout in a single tournament? I believe it was a 3-card Solitaire tournament in the $1,200+ range. Pretty nice right? I look at the skill gaming industry in to facets - the big time / the indie

Big Time - King, WW, Gameduell in that order.

Ok, so Indie is harder and changes pretty frequently given that there are people coming in and then moving to the deadpool - so the list fluctuates

Indie - SkillAddiction/Spootnic/Gamarena

I put us all three because it's actually kind of tight. Spootnic hasn't had jackpots like us in the recent months, but they've been acquired a while back so they have some cash running through it. Gamarena is getting big, but as a US player we can't play for cash so I'm not sure it should even be listed.

Sites no longer listed in Indie

UVME.com <-- don't think anyone plays there really anymore - at least, development has stopped from what I see.

Nowplayme.com <-- on hold, supposedly, indefinitely.

Gamebonus.com <-- gone to the dead pool

Skillground <-- Can't get to it, but hasn't had an improvement in forever

As you can see, it's got some barriers to entry for the skill gaming industry. We're moving and shaking to stay alive and keep bringing you guys some great entertainment.

[All4SciFi]

ROFLMAO ... I didn't expect ya to give me your P&L reports, but I woulda been giddy, if ya had!

$1200 ain't chicken feed ... however, it depends on if only the top 4 players got that payout (inside joke, folks ... a discussion we are having in the SA forums).

King remains a frustrating enigma to me ... I can't get in to play, so ...(see my other post today about it)

Spootnic has taken a specific stand on limited/small wagering (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing or marketing tactic), so I wouldn't expect to see them ever have very large payout tourneys. I dunno remember what they were like, when they were Games n' Roses, so until I do my write-up on them I am limited to knowing that: one, they seem to have the best graphics, but slows down gameplay, and two, they are very French, and three, I dunno why they changed a perfectly catchy name for themselves!

Thanks for mentioning Gamarena (which is now - DiceArena), as I didn't know about them. Now, I dunno if they will take my money (PayPal is not listed), but in their "terms" they do allow U.S. Players that are not on the exempt list. I just succesfully registered with them, so ... (geez, like I need one more place to write about, right now)

uVme - WTH happened to them? Snazzy site, marketing, great graphics. But, that affiliate program I wouldn't touch with any sized pole. If I had $200 to part so easily with, I simply pour it into SA, WW, etc. and try to earn that way. As far as playing, I played and still seems to be running.

Nowplay.me - When I first started signing up for skill game sites, last year, I actually stopped playing at SA and the like in favor of playing at Dukebox. I really liked what was being developed there, so I am wayyy confused and disappointed that they have stalled out.

Gamebonus - I am not sure whether to be relieved or disappointed that they are, in fact, dead. Cannot reach the site in any form. OK, one less website to worry about ...

Skillground - ... only able to reach the veryyyy ugly rumblings of a forum there. the main site does not come up.

One other ancient skill game website IS seemingly alive and running: Game Colony. However, it lists my State of Nevada, as a prohibited state, so while I registered and played a couple of games ... I just dunno what to make of them.

Having this industry in such a struggling state is both a curse and a blessing. It's frustrating to grow and improve, yet opens all kinds of doors and windows of more inventive stuff to try. Having a deeply dug in and successful business model would make it just as difficult to break in as a new or "indie" skill gaming site. We are still knee-deep in a recession (I may be living outta my car in the next 4-6 weeks, which would be funny, if it wasn't so true), so drawing in new folks to freely part with cash is equally difficult, regardless if you are King, WW, or SA.

What I do like seeing, and inspired me to jump into this, is what SA is trying to do ... stay in the mix and keep active and develop new ways to draw in noobs, despite all the crap that has beaten others down, or stalled the industry as a whole. For a guy like me, it would take years for me to get into the "community" as a premium player at WW. And I just have no way to compare with regards to King. SA is doing what I thought Dukesbox was trying to do a year ago, which was gamers getting getting involved with the players to build a better mousetrap.

LOL, this is all getting off-topic here ... sorry, I still don't have a guess, yet. And I've probably given someone else a headache. And don't think that I am stroking SA ... I hate the website (I've built too many of them, myself), the graphics for the site and most games are pretty lame, and gameplay can be twitchy in some places where it should be snappy. And, the forums remain hard-to-find, and with the exception of me ... rarely utilized.

... and something, for gawd's sake, must be done about those creepy eyes in the new game, Blockies!!!

[Flignats]

Spootnic has taken a specific stand on limited/small wagering (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing or marketing tactic), so I wouldn't expect to see them ever have very large payout tourneys. I dunno remember what they were like, when they were Games n' Roses, so until I do my write-up on them I am limited to knowing that: one, they seem to have the best graphics, but slows down gameplay, and two, they are very French, and three, I dunno why they changed a perfectly catchy name for themselves!

Really? Have they expressed that they want to keep the jackpots small? I've noticed they have been doing some 250 Euro tournaments once in a while, but nothing beyond that point. However, I do not frequent the site that often.

I was on them when they were GnR. You really think they have the best graphics? Oh, wait you are talking site graphics then? Yeah, when they were bought it was completely revamped into what it is now. Ha, I wasn't a fan of the GnR name, but I am not of Spootnic either.

Thanks for mentioning Gamarena (which is now - DiceArena), as I didn't know about them. Now, I dunno if they will take my money (PayPal is not listed), but in their "terms" they do allow U.S. Players that are not on the exempt list. I just succesfully registered with them, so ... (geez, like I need one more place to write about, right now)

Now these guys have the best graphics in my opinion. And, yeah.. I know it sayd US can play for cash, but how can we if we can't make a deposit?? I am sketchy of the amount of players online though because internet statistics don't match up to what they say is always online.

Actually, back that up to Spootnic as well... they always say they have hundreds online, but my game play and the internet stats don't add up - nearly to that - I don't like it when sites lie.

Dicarena's games are nice though. I am pretty certain they license their content and system too.

uVme - WTH happened to them? Snazzy site, marketing, great graphics. But, that affiliate program I wouldn't touch with any sized pole. If I had $200 to part so easily with, I simply pour it into SA, WW, etc. and try to earn that way. As far as playing, I played and still seems to be running.

You thought that was snazzy? Even worse customer service. I tried to contact them just to say hi and network a little in the 'indie' skill gaming industry. I was met with some lady that didn't know what was going on and wouldn't get me in contact with a manager/business development person at all, said that she can't do that. How retarded... They missed out on some good info.

I forgot about Gamecolony - any action over there? Don't know where those owners are, the thing has been the same since 2002 I think..

Surprisingly enough, the recession didn't hit us as hard as other industries. Yeah, its hard to part with cash, but skill gaming is also a 'cheap' form of entertainment. A lot of people cut back on expensive entertainment and went online, where they discovered skill gaming.

And don't think that I am stroking SA ... I hate the website (I've built too many of them, myself), the graphics for the site and most games are pretty lame, and gameplay can be twitchy in some places where it should be snappy. And, the forums remain hard-to-find, and with the exception of me ... rarely utilized.

Wait, what do you hate about us? Or is this sarcasm.. hmm, I must not be good at sarcasm...

We need a facelift, in due time. Games lame :O, really? I think our portfolio has only been getting better and better - some interesting games that are not common in skill gaming and graphics are very appealing (Bomboozle, Blockies, ect)

Forums are hard to find, but they haven't been pushed a lot. More people read, rather than participate, but that isn't uncommon.

Where is it twitchy? A game performance problem is, most of the time, isolated to the user computer - let me know what's happening and maybe I can give some tips.

[All4SciFi]

Whew ... it's only when you respond that I realize how gabby I get ...

Your right ... DiceArena does have better graphics. While trying to find the "free" games were not quite easy to find ... once I did, some of the games over there are too pretty. You, ummm, probably should never have mentioned them, cause I can see a few games there I might get addicted to ...

I did notice the "who's online" thing seem to very quite a bit. Maybe it has to do with having to open an entire little screen to play it all in, seperate from the base website ... I dunno. They weren't quite clear about what they really were ... not sure they mentioned once being a skill-based game site, and I saw the A-typical terms bounced around A LOT like, rake, house, etc. ... it sounds more like they are a casino-ish place with games that you sit down and play against the house, that just so happened to incorporate whatever skillgaming joint Gamarena might have been before ... again, I dunno. They do not take PayPal, and rely on the Euro places like Moneybrokers to withdraw funds from (even though they do accept a credit card), which seem to confirm that they are not "Skilled-based" enough to qualify.

Shame, it's a neat place to play ... just don't think it's where I wanna point my visitors to, just yet. Just sampling a few games, and the graphics are not only a lil better, but the gameplay didn't seem to suffer a bit from having it look so good ... something I can't say about Spootnic.

ROFLMAO ... what's funny is I don't really do sarcasm in real life, so I dunno why it seems to pour out online, these days.

No, I do not hate YOU or SA ... but I stand behind everything I said about the site design, game graphics, and forum activity ... but I don't think it's anything y'all aren't trying to improve, so no worries ... it's still my fav place to play, for now.

I admit, I have yet to play all the games there, so I until I do so ... I shouldn't make such a blanket statement against all game graphics there ... Odd One Out is pretty darn cute.

Twitchy ... maybe there's a better word for it, but it's not anything that hasn't been brought up before - Spider Solitaire ... you have to admit that you need a very focused touch to move piles around, without them bouncing right back to where you dragged them from ... maybe the game isn't twitchy, but rather - MAKES ME TWITCHY PLAYING IT!!!

Golf Solitaire ... the clock keeps running while the cards for each round are being laid out, not cool.

However, both those complaints remain fair and equal to everyone playing the game, so it's not like the annoying bug that IS in the Pockits game that will hide your ball, and leave you sitting there just watching the clock run down (I still need to record this bug to send you ... but, it doesn't happen very often).