king spinner survey/poll

[voxleo]

King.com's VIP Spinner: Do you feel rewarded? Survey

Share thoughts and feelings about the spinner in a place to aggregate data - maybe a trend will emerge.

[haueb]

The spinner sucks harder than a black hole, I think everyone can agree.

[Jacob]

Will do. Ya, I agree about the spinner....at least have $2.80 games going for popular games like Farm King and Candy Crush :/

[voxleo]

Surprisingly a glance at the preliminary responses already tells me why King has gone with the spinner the way it is - They are drawing more money from their best customers! They must be raking it in, hand over fist!

Even though most feel that the prizes aren't worth the entries, the majority have still spent the cash for another entry on the spinner games, and at the diamond level that most are, this means a potential daily expense of minimum 2.80 as opposed to the old way which meant the daily potential gain of minimum 35 cents! This is not a VIP benefit, it is a method to milk more money out of the ones who have proven that they have it to spend without providing anything more valuable in terms of service. How infuriating! That tears it, I will not spend a dime on the spinner tourneys even if I do have a shot at winning, and I may not even make a deposit to take advantage of the Vip only tourneys anymore, which for me are the only other benefit to being a vIp now. If I could I would sue them for false advertising and get my non-vip status back in exchange for the money I spent to get there!

I aimed for Diamond level VIP to have a daily free (minimum 70 cent) head to head game - the profit from which, if I won, would buy me another head to head of any game I wanted to play. I would eventually give it all back to king after a few games anyway, but the point was that I would get to PLAY again, and that was why I was spending money there in the first place, right? SO it was a good value for me to spend the money up front for the 365 free 70 cent or more head to head games I would gain through the year. And the new spinner makes that money spent now a total waste for me, plus tempts me to spend now a minimum of 2.80 to buy a second chance at a TWT game that I might have felt I had a shot at from the free spin! It gives me NO real gauranteed value in return the way the first program did, but instead offers me a snowball's chance in hell of winning a disproportinate prize while simultaneously substituting my daily fun that I had earned with a daily sore spot of resentment and frustration!

I would so much rather have the money I spent on becoming a VIP to just play a daily head to head out of my own pocket now. This is really feeling more like a bait and switch when I realize how much money they must be making on their new spinner vs the old system which maybe didn't make so much, but I'll bet COST them nothing. I feel a bit cheated right now.

[dpaull414]

I don't hate the spinner because at a few games I can actually place in the money. And I didn't spend any money specifically to get to VIP status, so anything I do get is just gravy.

What I do kinda hate is that $4.20 Bubble Witch tournament. I hate throwing my own money in to try and improve my position because I'm so inconsistent at that game. My head was about to explode once when I went 4 times on my own money before I got a paying spot and ended the misery.

Surprisingly a glance at the preliminary responses already tells me why King has gone with the spinner the way it is - They are drawing more money from their best customers! They must be raking it in, hand over fist!

Even though most feel that the prizes aren't worth the entries, the majority have still spent the cash for another entry on the spinner games, and at the diamond level that most are, this means a potential daily expense of minimum 2.80 as opposed to the old way which meant the daily potential gain of minimum 35 cents! This is not a VIP benefit, it is a method to milk more money out of the ones who have proven that they have it to spend without providing anything more valuable in terms of service. How infuriating! That tears it, I will not spend a dime on the spinner tourneys even if I do have a shot at winning, and I may not even make a deposit to take advantage of the Vip only tourneys anymore, which for me are the only other benefit to being a vIp now. If I could I would sue them for false advertising and get my non-vip status back in exchange for the money I spent to get there!

I aimed for Diamond level VIP to have a daily free (minimum 70 cent) head to head game - the profit from which, if I won, would buy me another head to head of any game I wanted to play. I would eventually give it all back to king after a few games anyway, but the point was that I would get to PLAY again, and that was why I was spending money there in the first place, right? SO it was a good value for me to spend the money up front for the 365 free 70 cent or more head to head games I would gain through the year. And the new spinner makes that money spent now a total waste for me, plus tempts me to spend now a minimum of 2.80 to buy a second chance at a TWT game that I might have felt I had a shot at from the free spin! It gives me NO real gauranteed value in return the way the first program did, but instead offers me a snowball's chance in hell of winning a disproportinate prize while simultaneously substituting my daily fun that I had earned with a daily sore spot of resentment and frustration!

I would so much rather have the money I spent on becoming a VIP to just play a daily head to head out of my own pocket now. This is really feeling more like a bait and switch when I realize how much money they must be making on their new spinner vs the old system which maybe didn't make so much, but I'll bet COST them nothing. I feel a bit cheated right now.

[iammee]

I became VIP since I play more than enough games to make the status. It bugs me that once you hit diamond VIP, there's nothing more to earn, I really think they should have some kind of point system to reward frequent play, and these points could be redeemed for free games, cash, merchandise or something of the sort.

About the spinner, I think the best solution would be to spin for tickets or tokens which can only be used in TWTs, as that would give everyone the needed flexibility, and unless I'm missing something, not cost King anything more.

That said, I make several thousand dollars a year from King, so even without the bonuses, I guess I can't be too bugged.

[voxleo]

wow, that's great that you can make that much! I never figured on collecting other than the odd windfall, which is kind of why I'm so irked about the wheel of futility. My whole reason for going diamond was a free play every day of a game I had a 50% chance at winning - that way I could get a few bucks worth of play without having to make a deposit. The problem with this new way is that odds don't favor me getting any return, so it doesn't actually keep me even casually playing unless I put in more money- exactly what I had intended to AVvOID doing by becoming a VIP - probably exactly why they changed the rules. .

[varkjie]

who is this survey for? Is this something king.com posted to actually care about our opinions or is this something you guys posted for feedback? They could atleast break up the TWT into 2 categories, for those with rankings under 4000 and for those with rankings over 4000 it could actually give the common idiot a shot once in a while?

[voxleo]

I had started to get so annoyed with the damn thing that I wanted to find out if there were actual ill effects that King might monetarily suffer since it actually drove me back to worldwinner after a 2 year hiatus. In my mind, that was money that I would have spent on king if I wasn't so disgusted with the stupid spinner so I just thought I'd compile some data and see if I could make a convincing case for some kind of response from King. The problem is, I've been so disgusted that i haven't gone to play at king, even the free games, so no one sees my message about the survey (I direct people to my about me through my winning quote where it has the link to the survey.) Pretty much the first group of answers already tell me why they aren't caring much about the complaints because I can clearly see how its making them a TON of cash off the people that already spent the most.

It's made me vow not to purchase any entry to a spinner game no matter how close I come to the prize places because I wouldn't ever normally enter a 2.80+ TWT for any reason otherwise (I'm strictly nickel and dime or progressive/cup type stuff) and therefore the diamond level that I spent money to get to in order to earn the fun of a daily h2h I might win for free that would essentially make it worth the expense instead turned into a way to tempt me to spend at least twice as much as I normally would on on any game with little chance of me getting to even play a game I really liked, much less win even a few cents on.

The even greater irony is that I might have enjoyed the basic vip level at least to some degree because the tourneys are more in my comfortable price range than the diamond ones and might not resent spending 70cents to take a second stab at one that looked potentially promising, but the minimum on the diamond tourneys is waaaaay too steep for me to risk on those odds.

See, I'd originally thought they altered the program because they were losing too much money on the vip free spinner through people winning head to head games and using the winnings to win cups and the like. Or maybe they reasoned that someone like me would not have as much reason to deposit anything if I knew that tomorrow I got free money to try again - and they'd be right, since that is why I went for the Diamond vip level with that line of thinking.

I honestly didn't expect the poll results to show me that this method actually was probably hugely successful at drawing more money from the VIP's than the other way. Shockingly successful. f the majority of folks are willing to spend even 14 bucks to get a second chance at winning one of the disproportional prize slots if they got close on the free try. Why on earth would they change it if it has a better than 50 or 60 % chance of enticing a daily entry fee out folks that otherwise would be doing something productive like laundry or actively costing them money by winning small cups with free cash ? The only way to influence the decision makers is for it to be unprofitable.

Though there isn't really a way to measure the cost of a spite spending strike like the one I'm on, its very easy to see how this format would benefit them, in which case I have no case to make with them. It also made me feel even more sharply the bitterness of the bait and switch, and also wonder about the possibility of a false-advertising/fraud claim coming up since given the situation now I would prefer not to have bothered with the vip status as it no longer offers the benefit I sought. (kinda like the whole Sony PS3/Linux affair), but I can't see how that would work unless I actually lost all of the cash games I entered to accomplish becoming a VIP in the first place to quantify how much it actually cost.

I am continuing to collect responses out of curiosity and I am at least glad to understand why things are the way the are. Knowing how much they stand to profit from their little of appreciation that hits their best customers the hardest, though, clearly showed me that it was more "bone us" than bonus. The realization really strengthened my resolve against putting in any more entries to the free spin Twt,'s so at least I am spared the irritation that causes. Plus I made the silver premier club at WW last month without even trying to