Top 100 v Top 500 payout structure

[mrjack]

I see King has changed the payout structure for the big Farm King TW. Is this because so many people have been complaining? Personally I thought last weeks Top 100 payout was better but not everybody would agree.

This new spinner was bound not to please everybody - Yes some people like to win a little for nothing but i'm sure there are plenty of players who enjoy the chance to win a fairly substantial amount.

In life you can't please all the people all the time so surely the most balanced and fair thing to do would be to alternate the payout structure each week. I put this suggestion to the Fool in his blog (you can see it below) so far nobody seems to agree with me and are all more interested in a 22p Candy Crush prog! But thats the mentallity of diehard King bloggers!!

Anyhow if you think my suggestion would/could/should work tell king (for what it's worth)
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6/3/11 10:36 AM MrJack_ESQ
Good Morning Fool, I've noticed the payout structure for the Farm King £9000 TW has changed from last weeks. Does King plan on staying with this payout structure or alternate each week? Alternating would be my preferred choice that way everybody is happy.Any thoughts from other people?


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We'll see what people's opinions are. The €3 and €10 spinner TWT's now have the same prize for all in top 500.

[Jacob]

The Top 500 payout structure is much better than before in my opinion. Now, it's entirely possible for me to make ~$50.00 a week without having to risk any entries to make such an amount...and being able to make top 500 in a $14.00 entry is very easy to do with the few amount of players willing to lay it down

[lilybucks]

It might be good for you in the short run -- but I think it's a mistake to lobby to keep the new spinner. In order for some to win steadily, others have to lose steadily. The 'bonus' should reward the losers to keep them interested enough in the games to keep playing (and paying). The winners already get theirs. I say this as a small-scale winner. But I think it goes double for those who make significant money at the site.

p.s. I'm new to the forum. Hi everyone!

[msufan]

It might be good for you in the short run -- but I think it's a mistake to lobby to keep the new spinner. In order for some to win steadily, others have to lose steadily. The 'bonus' should reward the losers to keep them interested enough in the games to keep playing (and paying). The winners already get theirs. I say this as a small-scale winner. But I think it goes double for those who make significant money at the site.

p.s. I'm new to the forum. Hi everyone!

Welcome to the forum! Your "trickle-up" theory -- that keeping losing players happy and getting them some freeroll cash is in the best interests on the winning players -- does make sense. But it's tough for me not to love the new spinner when I'm getting freeroll spins that, a high percentage of the time, end up being worth $14 (if I place in the top 500 in a $4.20 Candy Crush tourney) or $28 (if I place in the top 500 of a Farm King tourney), when I used to be winning about $1 a day from the spinner.

[Kworb]

I don't think they're worried anyway about people quitting. King.com still continues to grow and grow. For every 10 people that quit 11 new ones sign up. Don't forget the site was successful even before there were any daily freerolls or bonus spinners. I understand why a lot of people are unhappy with the change, but I doubt they will change it back. This is saving them a lot of money and in the end for them that's the bottom line.

[iammee]

It might be good for you in the short run -- but I think it's a mistake to lobby to keep the new spinner. In order for some to win steadily, others have to lose steadily. The 'bonus' should reward the losers to keep them interested enough in the games to keep playing (and paying). The winners already get theirs. I say this as a small-scale winner. But I think it goes double for those who make significant money at the site.

p.s. I'm new to the forum. Hi everyone!

The problem with this theory is that it only works when there's a level playing field, such as with a game like poker. Since we can't play against the low ranked players, and since King actively tries to make it harder for the players doing well, the bad players getting bonuses doesn't help us at all.

For once we get something which will benefit those who are ranked highly, since it allows King to benefit even more, so I support it 100%.

[iammee]

I don't quite understand how the tournament choice works though, seems there are a few that don't show up for me. For instance, last week the Bubble Witch $4.2 tourney never showed up in my freeroll selection, so I had to pay it directly, though it was still worth it for $14 return.

[voxleo]

The problem with this theory is that it only works when there's a level playing field, such as with a game like poker. Since we can't play against the low ranked players, and since King actively tries to make it harder for the players doing well, the bad players getting bonuses doesn't help us at all.

For once we get something which will benefit those who are ranked highly, since it allows King to benefit even more, so I support it 100%.

annd the problem with that is that the chance to play against the top ranked doesn't benefit the bad players at all - and there are more of them then there are of you, without having the rewarding experience of winning to keep them interested. This adds reward to those who are already winning and is somewhat of a discouraging exercise in futility to those who aren't but have spent the money to earn VIP status. It rewards the professional gamers and is insulting to the average joe.

I am at 90% of the way to a Diamond VIP and really don't care to get to a point where I can have the opportunity to see how humiliatingly far I am from winning a TWT of an even higher paygrade (presuming that the dollar amounts on the diamond spinner are simply higher entry cost tourneys)

The old system was fun while the new way just makes me bitter and discouraged. Pretty similar to the way I felt when I used to play on WW. Consequently, I have not spent any money there since I had found that King was much more fun. At least the 500 opens the possibility of winning to more people, and imo the VIP rewards system should be rewarding ALL the VIPs, not just the best players.

[voxleo]

As to the point of highly ranked players getting benefits, I would think that the benefit of being good enough to win money must be something already. If a player is too good though and no one else can compete, how is that fair to those who haven't a prayer of winning? Why can't the best players simply compete against the best players? King gets the entry cut anyway, and the rest of the prize pool comes from the players that enter. The only way King makes money is when people keep depositing to enter tournaments and they had a way that was surefire working to get me to do that until they changed it.

[iammee]

As to the point of highly ranked players getting benefits, I would think that the benefit of being good enough to win money must be something already. If a player is too good though and no one else can compete, how is that fair to those who haven't a prayer of winning? Why can't the best players simply compete against the best players? King gets the entry cut anyway, and the rest of the prize pool comes from the players that enter. The only way King makes money is when people keep depositing to enter tournaments and they had a way that was surefire working to get me to do that until they changed it.

I see your point, and probably the spilt pot freeroll/TWT option is the way to combat this, and it seems that they're going to do that starting next week. I was just saying that for once having something which benefits high ranks is nice.

I agree that if someone worked their way up through the ranks and benefitted from the winnings along the way, that should be reward enough, but King's ranking system is so screwed up that it often doesn't work that way. It's much easier to increase in rank than it is to decrease, and you can go up in rank while still losing money if you're not careful about what/how you play.

The problem is that many (most?) of us with high ranks in games didn't get there from winning tournaments, but from the ranking being artficially jacked up. Somtimes we're still competitive at a higher level, but other times we're either way overmatched or there is simply no action at that level, so in effect we're being punished for winning, or at least for withdrawing.