How safe is WorldWinner?

[Faded]

I have played at King.com off and on for a few years. I can cash out once in awhile but I get ranked with people I can't beat eventually.

I just started at WorldWinner this week and I've had the same problem, only worse. As soon as I win a few games I seem to be in the top ranks with scores I can't compete against.

That aside, are there alot of cheaters around? I typed in WorldWinner Scam and other search tags in google and found all kinds of bad feedback (also how I found this site). I've put 20 hours into Zen Gems only to find impossible scores (for me) being posted. Is 2956 possible? I watched some youtube videos and learned how to do a handful of games at a very fast pace, but people always seem to be much further ahead.

Is there a list of "safe" games to play without cheaters? Or are they all over?

[Grengoddess]

cheaters are in the most popular games and of course the most profitable

king you dont have to worry about cheaters much. king handles the situation speedily and beautifully in most cases. with WW cheaters can linger for weeks, months and sometimes a whole year before even being caught. Even if you tell fairness about your suspiciouns they will either community ban you or 'politely' degrade you then say "they will try". but nothing changes

for example, price is right was my best game there. There was this rabid cheat who would get scores ABOVE the games maximum. which is again impossible. This guys cheating was sooo BEYOND obvious....and it took WW 3-6 weeks to finally ban him. that was nov-dec 2008. Look around the forum for more stories. It's not just me who has had to deal with fairness' incompetence, its all us players.

so anyway GOOD LUCK! lol If you want tips from legits regarding your favorite games, just ask! We are happy to help you out

[dpaull414]

I think you might want to try the Ladders worldwinner offers. You get to choose your opponent so you don't need to rely on their FairMatch system to select your opponent. I find it much easier to be successful when you choose an opponent versus letting worldwinner choose it!

The other good thing with the ladder is you don't have to be great at a game to make money. I started playing bookworm for example and could only score 30k or so regularly. That is not a good score. But it is plenty good to beat a bunch of people on the bottom of the ladder. And the more you play the better you get. So you can think of it as getting paid to practice.

But ultimately I think at worldwinner if you want to be profitable and enter tournaments, you need to be elite in a game. If you win at worldwinner you will rapidly face the best players in the game and they will destroy you! Based on your post I think you have already encountered that....

good luck!
don

I have played at King.com off and on for a few years. I can cash out once in awhile but I get ranked with people I can't beat eventually.

I just started at WorldWinner this week and I've had the same problem, only worse. As soon as I win a few games I seem to be in the top ranks with scores I can't compete against.

That aside, are there alot of cheaters around? I typed in WorldWinner Scam and other search tags in google and found all kinds of bad feedback (also how I found this site). I've put 20 hours into Zen Gems only to find impossible scores (for me) being posted. Is 2956 possible? I watched some youtube videos and learned how to do a handful of games at a very fast pace, but people always seem to be much further ahead.

Is there a list of "safe" games to play without cheaters? Or are they all over?

[Mygirl]

WorldWinner by is my favorite skill gaming site. I make a profit off that site and prefer the games, graphics, and payouts. However, WorldWinner does have a lot of cheaters running around (mostly in division 1 in the games). WorldWinner tends to fail as far as getting rid of the cheaters and like to give out excuses as to why the cheating player is still there. They need better software or something because there is a high volume of cheating going on in all the games. Another issue that happens is once you get into division 1 of a game, you'll find elites like to play multiple times just to beat you, if heaven forbid you have a game better than them. They even will take a loss just to say "I beat you." Elites like that have killed numerous games with the constant "I must be first" attitude.

As far as the negative feedback, I can guess it's all related to the Fair Matching System. A lot of people complain about the fair matching system because when they win a lot of games/money they get moved up into other divisions(which should happen) and they get mad when they can't win and make money. I think all the complaints about the fair matching system are bullshit complaints by bitter people. I have never experienced being unfairly matched nor have I ever played against a player who's not in the same "league" as me. Everyone wants to make money but not everyone can is the bottom line.

I have played at King.com off and on for a few years. I can cash out once in awhile but I get ranked with people I can't beat eventually.

I just started at WorldWinner this week and I've had the same problem, only worse. As soon as I win a few games I seem to be in the top ranks with scores I can't compete against.

That aside, are there alot of cheaters around? I typed in WorldWinner Scam and other search tags in google and found all kinds of bad feedback (also how I found this site). I've put 20 hours into Zen Gems only to find impossible scores (for me) being posted. Is 2956 possible? I watched some youtube videos and learned how to do a handful of games at a very fast pace, but people always seem to be much further ahead.

Is there a list of "safe" games to play without cheaters? Or are they all over?

[bmy1]

My comments in point form:

1) Worldwinner is better if you want to make money (and are actually good enough at a game(s) to do so)
2) King is better for variety and "fun".
3) King is better at ridding cheaters
4) WW definitely has a cheating problem at the highest levels, probably because there is more money to be made than say at King
5) WW - "Fair Matching" is an artifical ploy to keep the non-elite players interested and contributing to the pot of money. Hence the division system. It IS true that players some times get mismatched with players significantly below or higher in skill level, but for the most part, it's pretty "fair".

This has been said before (by me and by others), but the key to profiting at King and at WW are as follows:

1) WW: Be the best - the very best or close to it - at just one game and, if that game is popular enough (e.g. Solitaire Rush, BJ2, Big Money) , you can make a full time income at it if you play an hour or two a day.

2) King: If you are pretty good at a lot of games, you can make a decent amount of money early on (3 figures, maybe 4 if you are extremely disciplined/good at a lot of games - esp. 'swapping' games like GG or msufan). However, once you have advanced through the ranks to a high enough level, there will either be (a) no competition or (b) the competition has become too tough to consistently turn a profit. Also, for wordgamers like me, king has a very limited selection of word games.

Conclusion: King is, for the most part, only profitable in the short-term. This is not entirely true. GG is living proof of that. King adds new games all the time, but a lot of them seem to be swapping type games. If you are really good at swapping games (or some other type of game), then you can still make decent money whenever new games are launched. Royal Cups (unlimited entry tournaments) can also be a decent source of income but the frequency of these tournaments is so low that they cannot be counted on for full-time income.

[Grengoddess]

Me? Kworb and Sowy are better proof at that. they master EVERY new game king throws out O_o

The key to keeping consistent money flowing at king is to balance the tournament types you play. play tons of cup tournaments and then play premiums and progressives. whether you win or lose in any of them, they will balance your rank out pretty much and it will stay the same so you can keep playing where you are....if you like where you are of course. lol

[Kona]

I think all the complaints about the fair matching system are bullshit complaints by bitter people. I have never experienced being unfairly matched nor have I ever played against a player who's not in the same "league" as me. Everyone wants to make money but not everyone can is the bottom line.

Then you are one of the lucky ones.

I wouldn't use such a harsh generalization about people complaining about WW's "fair matching system." For one thing, it is a fact that many people ARE unfairly matched. For another, many have shared they don't mind if they lose money as long as their games are competitive and they are matched according to their skill levels.

There are several games on WW where I am in the wrong division and my scores do not come even close to the typical top 10-20's. People practice and practice but some are just not going to be good enough. Does that mean they shouldn't play? No. If you're going to label yourself as a "Skill Gaming" site, then you need to adhere to fair SKILL matching. WW fails at this miserably.

And now there's a new Twister pop something or other crap game that's in beta .. and instead of working on the FMS, the complaints about the progressives, and the various glitches, etc in the various games, WW continues to roll out the red carpet for new games. I guess ignoring the old and focusing on the new will solve all their problems.

Personally, I play far far less at WW when I used to play thousands weekly .. and I used to put a lot of money in there monthly as well, but haven't done so in over six months now.

Nothing has changed and until more people there start speaking from their wallets, nothing ever will. I wonder if there will ever be a day when it's only the elites left at WW and the progressives are just a few bucks, and the games take days upon days to close out .. will WW finally wake up then?

I dunno. They seem really dense on so many issues there it's a surprise to me they are still in business.

King's okay. I like their variety, but do agree that it's a short term experience if you're winning then you're going to hit a wall there too.

The term "skill gaming" is, in my opinion, an oxymoron. No site, that I have seen so far, actually adheres truly to skill matching.

[Grengoddess]

I dunno. They seem really dense on so many issues there it's a surprise to me they are still in business.

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LOL! thats the understatement of the century right there XD

WW is like george bush being president for 8 years. it boggles my mind too how dumbfucks or clusters of dumbfucks can get anywhere in life XD It really does seem like ANYone who works at WW hasn't gone to college, or even knows what a college is XD

[dpaull414]

You are very fortunate to not have ever been unfairly matched!

The way I interpret a Fair Match System would be that when I am matched with somebody, I would have close to a 50/50 shot to win. I cannot speak for anything other than Division 1. But I do know I am in Division 1 in many games and if I enter a cash game I know I will lose.

I know this is partially my own fault most likely since I have a fantatstic winning percentage because of player to play challenges against players I know I'll beat. But even when I do cash games prior to issuing player to player challenges, it is easy to win those first few games, but you rapidly move to division 1.

The basic problem in division 1 is that there are always outliers in the game who are so much better than the rest of division 1 that they win everything. You want to be the outlier! If you aren't you get smoked in division 1.

A lot of people complain about the fair matching system because when they win a lot of games/money they get moved up into other divisions(which should happen) and they get mad when they can't win and make money. I think all the complaints about the fair matching system are bullshit complaints by bitter people. I have never experienced being unfairly matched nor have I ever played against a player who's not in the same "league" as me. Everyone wants to make money but not everyone can is the bottom line.

[bmy1]

being the outlier is how there is the potential to make a lot of $$ in WW (vs. places like king). the point about 'skill' gaming though is that, at its simplest, the people with the most 'skill' should win, on average, the most often and therefore make the most $$. sad reality.