Worldwinner Ranking System Fair? Don't think so

[magookin]

I hate the world winner ranking system, it's just ridiculous.

For example yesterday i was placed in scrabble cubes division 2 for the daily entry, I ended up being placed 9 or tenth or something, but I entered the competition over ten times to get that score. (I'ts quite addictive :s)

Also I only won about 1 out of 8 scrabble cubes games last night even though I thought I played some of them good for me...... and now today I am placed in division 1!

Doesn't make sense, I had a go at it and seen the top scores and there is no way I can compete against the people in division one, so i'm not going to waste my money attempting to.

And i've had similar problems with other games .

I like that in king i can see my ranking level go up and down, I know what level I am at and so I know what to expect and who i'll be up against.

With worldwinner it is more of a risk, as I can't see how they rank me and it's therefore in my opinion closer to gambling. I really hope they improve it, don't think i'll be playing much more money games unless they do.

Anyone else feel the same?

[rahnnyboy]

for me on the most part, my placement is pretty accurate for all the games...

they used to show you your ranking, and then all of a sudden stopped. I also agree, I like to see the actual number and how it changes.

[Grengoddess]

i too hate how they took away the rank number. they are sooo scared that people will abuse it if there are numbers around....but seriously WW.......them hiding is just a pathetic act of cowardice. they are so beyond unfair. they are unfair to the best legit players, they are unfair to the n00bs, they are unfair to ALL groups. its kinda sad that the only people they are the most fair too are the cheaters....which sickens me beyond end. but thats why they are called "fairness" department......they are incompetent and subjective. thats all they can amount to really. its all pathetic.

they NEED a system with rank numbers. us players, we NEED to see our rank numbers and how we are matched with people.

[dpaull414]

Unless you like to donate money to the top players, the only way to stay ahead on worldwinner is on ladders where you control who you challenge. The scrabble cubes ladder is about over, but next time it starts up, join at the bottom and choose people you know you can beat and pray they play you. You'll make a little bit of money in a rather safe way. You won't retire or live off of it, but it's sure better than getting pounded over and over in the other tournaments! IMHO it's the only way for even really good players to not lose money on WW.

don

Originally Posted by magookin

I hate the world winner ranking system, it's just ridiculous.

For example yesterday i was placed in scrabble cubes division 2 for the daily entry, I ended up being placed 9 or tenth or something, but I entered the competition over ten times to get that score. (I'ts quite addictive :s)

Also I only won about 1 out of 8 scrabble cubes games last night even though I thought I played some of them good for me...... and now today I am placed in division 1!

Doesn't make sense, I had a go at it and seen the top scores and there is no way I can compete against the people in division one, so i'm not going to waste my money attempting to.

And i've had similar problems with other games .

I like that in king i can see my ranking level go up and down, I know what level I am at and so I know what to expect and who i'll be up against.

With worldwinner it is more of a risk, as I can't see how they rank me and it's therefore in my opinion closer to gambling. I really hope they improve it, don't think i'll be playing much more money games unless they do.

Anyone else feel the same?

[theartsyone]

I didn't know that WW had rank numbers in the past, but its shame still don't now because without them the place is like free-for-all. I agree that WW is gambling and basically Vegas disguised as a skill-gaming site. A huge problem with WW, to me, is the only thing they give me is a statement that they match opponents fairly and I'm just to believe it. Obviously players don't question this claim when they win games, it's when they start losing that they wonder have then been scammed all along--The answer to that is YES!

The majority (if not all) other skill gaming sites have some kind of number or grade that players can readily see/access which gives credibility to a "fair-matching" system. WW has nothing like that in place so there is NO credibility to their matching system--What does it matter what "Division" you're placed in when you have no idea what skill level comprises that Division. Better still, you don't even know what the range of skill level is; Division 1 could be comprised of novices and players with more than 1000 games under their belt. And let's not forget about the slew of cheating...When you enter any tournament on WW you're believing that whatever WW does to match you with another opponent, is fair because they said so and that is it. A business can make all kinds of claims and promises, but if they really want their customers to believe in these promises/claims they have earn it with more that just a statement. A good example is the CarFax commercial--a couple is ready to purchase a used car and asks the sales associate to let them see the CarFax. The sales associate says he has something even better, a promise from the owner that the car is good. The couple assumes the sales associate is kidding but this sales guy asserts, "But it's a promise..." That's exactly the way I feel about WW's fair-matching system, it's just a bogus promise.

[Grengoddess]

Originally Posted by theartsyone

I didn't know that WW had rank numbers in the past, but its shame still don't now because without them the place is like free-for-all. I agree that WW is gambling and basically Vegas disguised as a skill-gaming site. A huge problem with WW, to me, is the only thing they give me is a statement that they match opponents fairly and I'm just to believe it.

well they DID have numbers but the rank numbers were not continuous. they would end at 2900. which was really weird so soooo many people eventually ended up stuck at 2900 and people matched between 2700-2900 were just one huuuuuuuuuuuuuge division. but instead of realizing OH DUH! the problem was that rank numbers were not conintuous! OH DOH! maybe we should make them continuous or change the breaks between them or how they fluctuate......nope......they said.......ooo lets make 5 random divisions and cut all the payouts! Supposedly over 10 qualified adults, sat in a room for several months...and thats what they came up with. LOL! See it isnt far off when i said that all us players here at cashgamers.net could run each department of WW better than the people they have now (well PS has a good cookie managing them....but the rest of the departments...... LOL! )

Obviously players don't question this claim when they win games, it's when they start losing that they wonder have then been scammed all along--The answer to that is YES!

actually when i have won on their site...I notice that most of my winnings have come from players who should not have been matched with me in the first place. its hard because if i was fairmatched.....then all my tournaments will be open forever and there would be no one in my rank to play. but on the other hand WW is forcing me to become a bully against these people who shouldnt be matched with me at all.

The majority (if not all) other skill gaming sites have some kind of number or grade that players can readily see/access which gives credibility to a "fair-matching" system. WW has nothing like that in place so there is NO credibility to their matching system--What does it matter what "Division" you're placed in when you have no idea what skill level comprises that Division. Better still, you don't even know what the range of skill level is; Division 1 could be comprised of novices and players with more than 1000 games under their belt. And let's not forget about the slew of cheating...When you enter any tournament on WW you're believing that whatever WW does to match you with another opponent, is fair because they said so and that is it. A business can make all kinds of claims and promises, but if they really want their customers to believe in these promises/claims they have earn it with more that just a statement. A good example is the CarFax commercial--a couple is ready to purchase a used car and asks the sales associate to let them see the CarFax. The sales associate says he has something even better, a promise from the owner that the car is good. The couple assumes the sales associate is kidding but this sales guy asserts, "But it's a promise..." That's exactly the way I feel about WW's fair-matching system, it's just a bogus promise.

beautifully put TAO! thats exactly it but what is even worse about their fairness department is, is that they PUNISH you for not just believing their claims are credible. its like they think they can bully us, oppress us, discriminate against us, threaten to sue us, and whatever just because we are defending our RIGHTS as customers. for some people it works but for those of us with strength and INTEGRITY we will never be bullied in by them. thats why i was site banned, because they hated that they couldnt bully me into shutting up or stop questioning their false claims.

[dpaull414]

So I was an idiot and entered an actual cash game today. By my own assessment I'm pretty good at Zuma Easy on WW. I've finished top 20 in a freeplay. I was thinking in a low stakes tournament that the best players wouldn't waste their time on it. WRONG.

At any rate, for any new folks out there trying to understand Fair Match, read this and be scared.

5 player Easy $1 entry, $3.75 to winner.

1st psmkdur 56,181
(top score ever 56,744 w/13,500 victory points)

2nd dpaull414 (me) 46,769
(top score ever 51,781 w/1110 victory points)

3rd pecenkica 28,663
(top score ever 62,050 w/1360 victory points)

4th ptica1 24,790
(top score ever 32,200 w/153 victory points)

5th wayga.gsn 9,835
(top score ever 39,971 w/2073 victory points)

How is it a player with a top score of 32,200 or 39,971 is getting matched up against 3 players with top scores > 51,781. The scores put up by me and psmkdur in this 1 tournaments are way higher than those 2 people have EVER scored. How did they have a chance? Total dead money.

At any rate, this is just an illustration of what WW thinks is a Fair Match. I'm guessing ptica & wayga don't think so.